fratt

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Grand Rapids
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Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 5:08:31 AM
Keep conserving!
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Jethroy

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Toronto
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Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 5:07:08 AM
it has already been said but don't learn
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twobroke61

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Michigan
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Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 5:05:31 AM
and this has what to do with the price of oil and gas
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goldseeker

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West Virginia
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Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 4:58:55 AM
What next.
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granitestater

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New Hampshire
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Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 4:58:27 AM
there is a system--it's called the 'gold standard'. which we threw out at Bretton Woods about 65 years ago...
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Mark929

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Oakland
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Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 4:49:06 AM
Very political.
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kfinto

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Texas
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Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 4:48:00 AM
The U.S. government is trillions of dollars in debt that cannot be repaid. The other governments are wise to get rid of the U.S. dollar before it becomes worthless.
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bad_sailor

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London
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Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 4:39:18 AM
Who cares. It doesn't affect the price of gas.
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MPGKing

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New Jersey
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Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 3:30:58 AM
I really can't blame them if we keep on printing money like crazy.
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Vette1967

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Albany
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Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 3:15:51 AM
The good old American dollar can still rule if only we learn from our past mistakes.
[Edited by: Vette1967 at 7/5/2009 3:18:23 AM EST]
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FASTR1

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Michigan
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Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 3:15:13 AM
All I want is a few million, please.
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findcheap

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Los Angeles
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Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 3:10:56 AM
Euro is new reserve currency
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ccf_jeff

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St. Louis
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Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 3:08:24 AM
That's not good. Not good at all.
GasMiserAZ, we are indeed the world's largest economy, but that doesn't mean we can't fall. Rome was once the world's largest economy. AIG was the world's largest insurance company. GM was once the world's largest auto manufacturer and the list could go on and on.
We are like a family living beyond its means - WAY beyond its means. We are trillions of dollars in debt and are expected to run a deficit this year alone in excess of another trillion dollars and are borrowing more to buy gas guzzlers to crush and throw in our dumps.
Just because you're big, doesn't mean you can't get in over your head, as some of the earlier examples prove. Many people making high six figure salaries have gone bankrupt. All it takes is living beyond one's means and taking on too much debt. Donald Trump was pretty big and yet he went bankrupt 3 times I believe.
At one time Argentina was the 2nd largest economy in the world and yet they defaulted on their debt. Many world economists are saying that the U.S. is headed that way and a major rating agency said the U.S. is in danger of losing its AAA credit rating. That's what happened to AIG shortly before they went under.
Check out this chart showing the historical % increase in our money supply. No wonder India, China & Russia are all calling for a review of using our currency as an international standard and of holding hundreds of billions of our IOUs.
See too, Matt Taibbi's piece on how Goldman Sachs has influential members throughout the administration and has been a beneficiary of massive amounts of government money to bail them out and the companies that owed them billions. They were the first to be paid off by AIG. They also have been at the heart of each of our major bubbles - the dot.com bubble and the housing bubble and have profited handsomely from them despite being fined for illegal activity.
I think that is the type of oligarchy Simon Johnson, the chief economist at the International Monetary Fund during 2007 and 2008, was speaking of when he wrote the excerpt below in his article:
The Quiet Coup
The crash has laid bare many unpleasant truths about the United States. One of the most alarming, says a former chief economist of the International Monetary Fund, is that the finance industry has effectively captured our government—a state of affairs that more typically describes emerging markets, and is at the center of many emerging-market crises. If the IMF’s staff could speak freely about the U.S., it would tell us what it tells all countries in this situation: recovery will fail unless we break the financial oligarchy that is blocking essential reform. And if we are to prevent a true depression, we’re running out of time.
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alaric76

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New Jersey
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Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 3:06:38 AM
all part of the plan to destroy this country from within.
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joel27nc

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Raleigh
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Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 2:26:46 AM
Ya think?
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spiderjay

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Little Rock
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Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 1:38:50 AM
ITS CUS OUR GOVERMENT IS SPENDING MONEY LIKE THEY WERE LEAVES ON TRESS
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GasMiserAZ

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Phoenix
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Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 12:52:19 AM
I'm going to repeat whet I said more than 4 hours ago for those of you that think that America is dying: . . . Keep in mind people...the United States has far and away the world's largest economy. Second place, Japan, is less than 1/3 of the USA. China less than that. Russia's economy is only 1/10 of the USA. India even less. They can talk all they want in their summits. As long as the USA is the world's dominant economy, the Dollar will be the world's dominant currency.
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FlyNFool

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South Carolina
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Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 12:47:20 AM
Thanks to the messiah Obama, our dollar is worth crap, can you blame anyone for trying to dump them.
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FuelBarge

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Long Island
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Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 10:15:57 PM
I don't blame any country for trying to dump their dollars. I would too if I could. The fact that we are now making them up out of thin air is going to force their overall value even lower.
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kelsielee

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Atlanta
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Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 10:08:46 PM
Not a good time for holders of American dollars to unload them.
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jay4

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Colorado Springs
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Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 9:11:51 PM
Come on, you crypto-fascists on the far right, this started well before Obama so look at the falling dollar value during the Shrub's reign!
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fizbos

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Maine
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Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 9:04:20 PM
Another response to Obama financial policies!
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Focus2

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Illinois
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Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:59:40 PM
Create another currency, just another reason to take our savings if you still have any left.
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wt0826

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Ontario
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Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:56:22 PM
This looks like the beginning of the end of the American empire. There are many that are not satisfied with the status quo, and who can blame them. In the short term, however, India, China and Russia among many others will continue to support the collapsing giant USA.
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leeso1

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San Diego
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Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:55:37 PM
soooo sick of this...
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BlueVanGroup

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Colorado
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Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:41:35 PM
There is no way to pay back the massive debt the Washington elite are heaping onto us (and our children and our children's children and ...) except to trigger hyperinflation. A multi-trillion-dollar debt isn't so bad if you drive the dollar's value so low that it takes a million dollars to buy a loaf of bread.
Hyperinflation may seem a palatable option for the debtors-in-chief, but it's a very bad deal for the debt holders. (If you knew the value of XYZ stock would plummet, would you want it in your portfolio?)
If the debt holders all try to dump their dollars at the same time, they could trigger the collapse they're trying to avoid (at least until they dump theirs), so they have to be careful.
Of course, we common citizens are screwed.
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BlackHorse

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Twin Cities
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Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:41:28 PM
so where will they go, the Euro? the Pound? Nah, the rupie of the rupel? hardly, the yen? nope by the way, what is china's curancy? and who cares?
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milespergallon

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Illinois
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Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:41:02 PM
Easy. Don't send them anymore financial support. That should cut done on their' holdings'. And, WE could get their holding down much more by having them REPAY their debt to us! Simple enough to me!
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Bussman

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Dallas
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Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:31:24 PM
"Change we can believe in"!!!
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acknot

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Seattle
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Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:28:54 PM
Obama will destroy us.
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GGW

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Austin
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Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:24:35 PM
How can you expect other countries to respect our dollar when they see us throwing Trillions at PORK?
[Edited by: GGW at 7/4/2009 8:25:16 PM EST]
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e3p0

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Columbus
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Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:17:06 PM
They can all bite me. If it wasn't for Americans and our advances, they would still be living in tents.
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fcdriver

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Tennessee
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Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:15:35 PM
keep conserving
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2granny

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Michigan
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Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:13:21 PM
How can we expect the dollar to be strong with a national debt at staggering levels never seen before and no doubt heading even higher. Rising inflation will only make things worse. Nobody should be surprised by this article. Well said,aarrt.
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Slyguy1060

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Michigan
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Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:12:03 PM
Yeah Miner, it is only a matter of time and you will see the One World Government come to power. Who knows, Obama might yet become king of the world.
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MINER

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Pittsburgh
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Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:10:00 PM
Does this tie in with that "One World Society" we used to read about now & then.
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mplato

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Columbia
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Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:06:53 PM
looks like the All Mighty Dollar is not well liked in some parts of the world....but when they want the All Mighty Dollar to pay for a disaster....they have their hands out for it
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GasMiserAZ

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Phoenix
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Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:06:18 PM
Keep in mind people...the United States has far and away the world's largest economy. Second place, Japan, is less than i/3 of the USA. China less than that. Russia's economy is only 1/10 of the USA. India even less. They can talk all they want in their summits. As long as the USA is the world's dominant economy, the Dollar will be the world's dominant currency.
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Chummy37

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Calgary
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Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:00:56 PM
This can't be good for us!
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paulydel

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Delaware
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Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 7:59:03 PM
With Obama taking us to new lows and printing our dollar out of existance this is the only wise move they could make before we become a third world country. the US dollar is becoming worthless.
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JustjoeWI

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Milwaukee
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Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 7:54:35 PM
We stick our nose in everything
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Dale Jr.

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Illinois
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Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 7:53:02 PM
They have to protect their own hide.
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aarrrt

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San Diego
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Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 7:52:21 PM
How can we expect the dollar to be strong with a national debt at staggering levels never seen before and no doubt heading even higher. Rising inflation will only make things worse. Nobody should be surprised by this article.
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DeHavilland

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Toronto
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Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 7:51:19 PM
Is this the decline of the American Empire? With these countries taking our technology, manufacturing, jobs and money too, this could be the end of western domination of the marketplace. Man, I hope not. I hate to think we'll have to take our orders from Calcutta or Beijing. All this is being done to us by multinational corporations looking for a fast profit by sending our work and technology where they hope to pay little for labour and not have to worry about any human rights or workplace safety.
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hybridaholic

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Appleton
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Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 7:51:07 PM
Let some other currency take over for the dollar, then we can help junk it too.
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GasMiserAZ

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Phoenix
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Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 7:50:24 PM
heysailor, countries have been trying to get rid of the Dollar's world dominance for the last 40 years. This is nothing new.
Also, Comrade Obama is making the Dollar very, very weak with his trillion dollar shopping sprees!
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PokerAce

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Baton Rouge
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Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 7:49:46 PM
I guess they have all those dollars because of all the JOBS the U.S. has lost to INDIA and CHINA .... and of course he made the comments in FRANCE .... go figure .....
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Kato51

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Atlanta
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Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 7:47:34 PM
This doesn't sound good for any of us over here. Lets take care of ourselves first.
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GasMiserAZ

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Phoenix
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Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 7:44:18 PM
Yeah...okay. I'll run right out Monday and convert all my holdings to Rubles......ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Hold your breath Medvedev!
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Bonanza

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Boston
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Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 7:42:56 PM
It's time America looks out for America
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