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coughlin Champion Author San Jose Posts:3,346 Points:757,100 Joined:Sep 2009	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 9:04:35 PM Ignore coughlin Report Abuse Bring on the Hydrogen!
Mr.Dirt Champion Author Albany Posts:6,771 Points:2,166,740 Joined:Mar 2004	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 8:10:35 PM Ignore Mr.Dirt Report Abuse sounds good lets hope it works
bbthegun Champion Author San Diego Posts:4,544 Points:1,265,340 Joined:Sep 2006	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 6:33:42 PM Ignore bbthegun Report Abuse GM has plenty of time to develop cars people don't want in twice the time because they don't really have the pressure to be that profitable anymore.
vegaland Champion Author Houston Posts:2,403 Points:501,795 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 6:08:11 PM Ignore vegaland Report Abuse GM may be getting itself in trouble investing so much in low volune vehicles with a long development time. There's a lot to be said for taking the long view, but you have to survive today, first.
GryphonX Champion Author Nevada Posts:4,671 Points:1,191,365 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 5:39:20 PM Ignore GryphonX Report Abuse Hydrogen technology isn't the silver bullet its cracked up to be ...
slvrdo_dsprdo Champion Author Nashville Posts:3,322 Points:644,630 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 5:28:02 PM Ignore slvrdo_dsprdo Report Abuse FTFA: "Still, Charlie Freese, executive director of GM's global fuel-cell activities, pointed out to reporters that GM had plenty of opportunities to kill its hydrogen program during its bankruptcy -- but didn't." How much of that do you think was the Administration telling them, "No, this looks good for us; keep it going."?
Helms Champion Author Fort Worth Posts:4,729 Points:1,496,005 Joined:Jun 2005	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 5:18:03 PM Ignore Helms Report Abuse sooner would be better
caddilac Champion Author Ontario Posts:13,794 Points:1,674,530 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 5:15:20 PM Ignore caddilac Report Abuse "Drive On got a look at the fuel cells yesterday at a presentation in Burbank, Calif. The new one, at right, is half the size, 220 pounds lighter and uses a third of the expensive platinum needed in the original, which is being real-world tested in a fleet of 119 Chevrolet Equinox SUVs. (It was an even 120, but one got totaled in an accident. No hydrogen escaped.)" So much for those alarmists that keep on bringing up the Hindenburg, when hydrogen is mentioned as an energy source, yet they keep forgetting that gasoline is highly explosive as well....(REMEMBER THE BROUHAHA ABOUT THE FORD PINTO GAS TANK EXPLOSIONS?) As for the current availability of hydrogen, well when cars started using gasoline as a power power source (steam was in use before gasoline) there wasn't a gas station at every corner either. [Edited by: caddilac at 3/17/2010 5:18:05 PM EST]
Zeke33 Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:3,873 Points:1,279,655 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 5:10:48 PM Ignore Zeke33 Report Abuse Big oil with its big bucks will squash that plan.
jat60 Champion Author California Posts:1,525 Points:623,825 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 5:08:35 PM Ignore jat60 Report Abuse "Thats a long ways away." 2015? That's only 5 years. Pretty darn close, if you ask me. In fact, I think it's too close. I applaud the effort to get hydrogen going, but I don't see that it will be a feasible alternative in 5 years, beyond perhaps fleet sales. On the other hand, in 5 years, if they could cut the size, weight and cost of batteries in half, the infrastructure is largely in place, so that would be a clear winner over hydrogen.
chemist74 Champion Author Cleveland Posts:12,387 Points:2,179,065 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 5:08:25 PM Ignore chemist74 Report Abuse I see several problems that need to be solved including: 1. Purchase cost of the vehicle 2. Cost of the hydrogen 3. Local availability of the hydrogen
Buck_on_Bass Champion Author Tennessee Posts:5,190 Points:1,042,340 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 5:08:14 PM Ignore Buck_on_Bass Report Abuse The fuel cell is a good idea if hydrogen production is clean and the fuel costs are competitive. This will also drive a new road tax model where taxes are assessed based upon the miles driven each year and not by fuel purchases.
julius1st4 Champion Author Ontario Posts:3,137 Points:1,026,070 Joined:Jul 2003	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 5:01:48 PM Ignore julius1st4 Report Abuse I'll believe it when I see it. First of all: G,M, better make darn "Sure" that the "Volt" will survive and can be "Marketed" at an affordible price.
jjw0608 Champion Author Milwaukee Posts:5,203 Points:1,366,065 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 5:01:22 PM Ignore jjw0608 Report Abuse Thats a long ways away.
MRED3 Champion Author Jacksonville Posts:3,626 Points:803,345 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 4:53:49 PM Ignore MRED3 Report Abuse I hope it works out be 2015.
Hunter114 Champion Author Chicago Posts:5,545 Points:994,885 Joined:Apr 2009	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 4:45:01 PM Ignore Hunter114 Report Abuse Another promise from government. Don't hold your breath.
rodzilla123 Champion Author San Diego Posts:2,449 Points:620,080 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 4:44:18 PM Ignore rodzilla123 Report Abuse Dont care, Hydrogen Fuel Will be more expensive to cerate, and is much more dangerous than Gas or Diesel be around. NOT INTERESTED!!!!!!!!
virginia52 Champion Author Alaska Posts:5,742 Points:1,130,740 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 4:43:44 PM Ignore virginia52 Report Abuse I'm sure glad that no hydrogen escaped. I couldn't afford one of these cars I'm sure. I do like the concept.
Robert44 Champion Author Columbus Posts:2,884 Points:945,230 Joined:Mar 2004	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 4:43:23 PM Ignore Robert44 Report Abuse Still its call Government Motors. Hows that HOPE AND CHANGE working out???
cpl11787 All-Star Author Minnesota Posts:630 Points:123,275 Joined:Jan 2010	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 4:42:31 PM Ignore cpl11787 Report Abuse hmm, so by then I will have a six year old vehicle, and another year or two for is to get all of the bugs out of it, or probably more, so in nine more years I will get a new vehicle.
PathfinderSC Champion Author South Carolina Posts:7,175 Points:1,367,930 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 4:41:26 PM Ignore PathfinderSC Report Abuse Well if it is like the GM plug in that was suppose to been 4 years ago. This will be 2050 getting here.
TheDix Champion Author Ontario Posts:2,005 Points:360,245 Joined:Dec 2009	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 4:39:04 PM Ignore TheDix Report Abuse Lots of ideas floating around now but its still wait and see for me.
curlypooh Champion Author New Jersey Posts:8,346 Points:1,544,740 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 4:33:31 PM Ignore curlypooh Report Abuse Just after we get back from the Moon!
beachbumCA Champion Author Riverside Posts:10,459 Points:1,206,350 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 4:31:05 PM Ignore beachbumCA Report Abuse Do not want to be on the same street with the hydrogen.
nightworker998 Champion Author Maryland Posts:1,189 Points:509,265 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 4:29:28 PM Ignore nightworker998 Report Abuse Does anybody remember the Hindenburg and the result of using hydrogen?
kyrunner Champion Author Lexington Posts:6,605 Points:1,234,365 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 4:28:26 PM Ignore kyrunner Report Abuse Who can afford this 2015 model vehicle. If our government keeps spending at a rate resulting in trillion dollar+ deficits every year for the foreseeable future, it will take a miracle to avoid a depression by then. I imagine they will be lucky to find anyone able to buy it! [Edited by: kyrunner at 3/17/2010 4:30:25 PM EST]
Navychic09 Rookie Author Cleveland Posts:13 Points:1,690 Joined:Mar 2010	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 4:24:21 PM Ignore Navychic09 Report Abuse I 2nd that, more cars that Americans can afford, not the rich can afford. We know they have money, how about the average working class. Cut us a break..
briguy101386 Rookie Author Oregon Posts:79 Points:28,810 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 4:21:13 PM Ignore briguy101386 Report Abuse Yeah they need to have a marketable price. A price that a lot of Americans can afford.
MINER Champion Author Pittsburgh Posts:8,960 Points:2,585,815 Joined:Jul 2002	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 4:20:35 PM Ignore MINER Report Abuse Gees, I think my time line runs out before that..Durn it any way.
carefrey Champion Author Orlando Posts:3,362 Points:719,425 Joined:Sep 2009	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 4:20:05 PM Ignore carefrey Report Abuse Will the average "joe" be able to afford one?
eddmac Champion Author Washington Posts:5,526 Points:1,234,975 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 4:19:41 PM Ignore eddmac Report Abuse I will not start holding my breathe in 2015. GM has a terrible habit of reneging.
bobmcl2006 Champion Author Pittsburgh Posts:11,720 Points:1,901,615 Joined:Oct 2006	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 4:17:45 PM Ignore bobmcl2006 Report Abuse BMW thought it was a waste of time.
goldseeker Champion Author West Virginia Posts:16,309 Points:2,254,615 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 4:14:14 PM Ignore goldseeker Report Abuse Honda is nearly ready now.
ebowMA Veteran Author Boston Posts:446 Points:608,795 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 4:13:03 PM Ignore ebowMA Report Abuse They better have cut enough weight and complexity to get the cost down by a factor of 10 or 100, or else it will be a non-starter like Honda's $100,000 (or was it $500,000) FCX Clarity.
Yonkers111 Champion Author Scranton Posts:7,437 Points:720,240 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 4:12:01 PM Ignore Yonkers111 Report Abuse Jeff4U: Before you can have "infrastructure for hydrogen distribution or sales", you're got to have a business model to make money making H.
copperhead8 Champion Author Boston Posts:14,856 Points:2,358,025 Joined:Dec 2004	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 4:04:50 PM Ignore copperhead8 Report Abuse Jeff4U seems to know what he is talking about...I sure don't.
goodbuy Champion Author Michigan Posts:5,514 Points:993,760 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 4:04:33 PM Ignore goodbuy Report Abuse So, no hydrogen escaped so it is about as safe as a Toyota.
ChuckGVT Champion Author Vermont Posts:4,379 Points:1,229,840 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 4:03:13 PM Ignore ChuckGVT Report Abuse Will anyone be able to afford one of these vehicles in 2015?
Jeff4U Champion Author Atlanta Posts:5,976 Points:1,387,620 Joined:Nov 2004	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 4:02:31 PM Ignore Jeff4U Report Abuse Irrelevant. No infrastructure exists for hydrogen distribution or sales. Perhaps 10-20 years into the future this will be viable option.
dollarwatcher Champion Author Wisconsin Posts:5,565 Points:1,069,395 Joined:Mar 2007	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 4:01:24 PM Ignore dollarwatcher Report Abuse Too much is being made about hydrogen. Sounds too risky.
MahopacJack Champion Author New York Posts:5,900 Points:1,182,300 Joined:Feb 2008	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 4:00:15 PM Ignore MahopacJack Report Abuse I think this is best of the alternative fuel sources. Clean, plentiful and can refuelled in an acceptable amount of time.
katmandue Champion Author Detroit Posts:5,754 Points:1,678,090 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 4:00:08 PM Ignore katmandue Report Abuse Doesn't matter people that could profit most can't afford it.
TXGasPriceSpy Champion Author Fort Worth Posts:5,335 Points:1,012,300 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 3:59:57 PM Ignore TXGasPriceSpy Report Abuse This still has a l-o-n-g way to go. Fine if it works. Fine if it is affordable!!!
Pia15 Rookie Author Cleveland Posts:5 Points:13,425 Joined:Dec 2004	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 3:54:27 PM Ignore Pia15 Report Abuse I'm all for other options.
Jeff1944 Champion Author South Dakota Posts:3,098 Points:679,840 Joined:Jan 2010	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 3:52:32 PM Ignore Jeff1944 Report Abuse Who believes this will replace gasoline for the majority of the USA?
WCCurtis Champion Author San Bernardino Posts:3,304 Points:1,362,670 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 3:51:47 PM Ignore WCCurtis Report Abuse When and if they ever produce it for the mass market and at a price the average person can afford it will be great. Until then it is just a bunch of hot air.
georgeo Champion Author California Posts:4,172 Points:178,915 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 3:50:04 PM Ignore georgeo Report Abuse If this will work, we may be finally rid of OPEC.
VWC Veteran Author Maryland Posts:450 Points:730,615 Joined:Oct 2004	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 3:49:42 PM Ignore VWC Report Abuse GM will last as long as it remains Government Motor.
eddyp94 Champion Author Ontario Posts:6,758 Points:1,382,860 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 3:46:50 PM Ignore eddyp94 Report Abuse and where are we going to get this fuel...
jony Champion Author Florida Posts:5,239 Points:1,246,400 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 3:37:36 PM Ignore jony Report Abuse amazing what you can do when you borrow money and don't have to pay it back