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AP IMPACT: Clunker pickups traded for new pickups

Associated Press -- WASHINGTON – The most common deals under the government's $3 billion Cash for Clunkers program, aimed at putting more fuel-efficient cars on the road, replaced old Ford or Chevrolet pickups with new ones that got only marginally better gas mileage, according to an analysis of new federal data by The Associated Press.

The single most common swap — which occurred more than 8,200 times — involved Ford F150 pickup owners who took advantage of a government rebate to trade their old trucks for new Ford F150s. They were 17 times more likely to buy a new F150 than, say, a Toyota Prius. The fuel economy for the new trucks ranged from 15 mpg to 17 mpg based on engine size and other factors, an improvement of just 1 mpg to 3 mpg over the clunkers.

Owners of thousands more large old Chevrolet an

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call911ok All-Star Author Vancouver Posts:544 Points:76,340 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: Nov 6, 2009 1:58:33 PM Ignore call911ok Report Abuse well, most people buy pickups because they use the features with the bed... unless you buy a pickup and don't use its features, then you can sacrifice an economic vehicle... people hae to start to understand that pickups are a convenience feature.
FuelBarge Champion Author Long Island Posts:6,811 Points:1,611,340 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Nov 5, 2009 7:32:17 AM Ignore FuelBarge Report Abuse No shock in this report. Cash for clunkers pretty much replaced one guzzler with another. If we do this every couple of years, the owners of gas guzzlers can live off of the government incentives and keep wasting gas. A better idea would have been to pick an age such as ten years and declare any vehicle older than that age qualified.
NavyStore Champion Author Seattle Posts:3,769 Points:1,661,435 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 11:27:01 PM Ignore NavyStore Report Abuse No surprise here. If you look at my posts during the 'Clunkers' program I was stating that it should be limited to domestic manufacturers and at least 7 MPG better mileage. I still think it was a good program to get cash flowing thru the economy, but I still say it should have been focused on helping Americans - not any other nation. Unfortunately the pro-business Republican (or since they are purging the moderates should we just call them the Conservative party?) didn't want to help America, just their Corporate masters. Just another reason why we need Publicly-Funded elections.
N5EXY Champion Author Austin Posts:3,200 Points:1,047,205 Joined:Jul 2004	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 10:54:54 PM Ignore N5EXY Report Abuse That is EXACTLY what I would have done - if my F150 had not been two years too old to qualify. What did they expect for such a handout? Buy a minitruck that is too small to haul anything? The same old change.
Chitowner Champion Author Omaha Posts:3,153 Points:874,715 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 10:34:59 PM Ignore Chitowner Report Abuse What do you expect from a government run program? and you want these idiots taxing you for the climate change myth and cap and trade programs. Oh yeah and run a health care program after screwing up Medicare??????????? Hello wake you and vote the idiots out of office or look forward to only being able to afford boloney sandwiches just like in prison...........
snewwee Champion Author Detroit Posts:6,181 Points:1,250,000 Joined:Sep 2007	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 10:33:39 PM Ignore snewwee Report Abuse The whole clunker program was just that 'a clunker' and bunker.
PissedCanuck Champion Author Toronto Posts:5,142 Points:1,193,815 Joined:Nov 2006	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 10:30:50 PM Ignore PissedCanuck Report Abuse This is change that I really can believe in.
MRED3 Champion Author Jacksonville Posts:3,626 Points:803,345 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 10:22:37 PM Ignore MRED3 Report Abuse It was to help the UAW out and to make Obama like good.
cutter1330 Champion Author Oklahoma Posts:5,728 Points:1,231,515 Joined:Jul 2005	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 10:18:07 PM Ignore cutter1330 Report Abuse Obamanomics for you to try, change you can believe in or not.
Rednix Champion Author Miami Posts:3,899 Points:817,020 Joined:Jul 2009	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 10:17:56 PM Ignore Rednix Report Abuse I would be surprised if anyone traded a F150 for a Prius.
Hugo40 Champion Author Kentucky Posts:5,285 Points:1,153,500 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 10:16:48 PM Ignore Hugo40 Report Abuse It took this long for this fact to surface?
dbatw Champion Author St. Louis Posts:1,686 Points:341,165 Joined:Apr 2009	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 10:13:13 PM Ignore dbatw Report Abuse so let's see what this really means. Looks like we bailed out Ford too. Just in a different way. Didn't FoMoCo just report outstanding quarterly results? Yup, thank you very much clunkers. And where do they make the most profit. Yup, F150. We got sucker again. You can bet their execs will get fat bonus checks.
e3p0 Champion Author Columbus Posts:2,250 Points:823,400 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 10:11:56 PM Ignore e3p0 Report Abuse The only thing clunkers did was GIVE the Japanese and Koreans a couple of billion dollars. Sad when the Russians put together a better program than our leaders did. Russians did not send any money to the Japanese or Koreans.
E-Squirrel Champion Author Orange County Posts:2,405 Points:640,880 Joined:Feb 2005	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 10:10:51 PM Ignore E-Squirrel Report Abuse No surprises here. Government plans like this virtually never do what they are promised or expected to do. Just remember, these same people want to be in charge of everything else in your life too.
graceman Champion Author Baltimore Posts:3,240 Points:821,090 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 10:06:37 PM Ignore graceman Report Abuse Still not enough
Z51Corvette Champion Author Austin Posts:6,171 Points:1,226,590 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 10:06:12 PM Ignore Z51Corvette Report Abuse Sorry those figures on the trucks are not as good as what some owners I know are telling me. Trucks are now in the 20mpg range... Almost double the old models!!!
YLHandyman Champion Author Orange County Posts:5,009 Points:931,010 Joined:Feb 2008	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 9:58:58 PM Ignore YLHandyman Report Abuse Maybe we all should have traded up when we had the chance.
sillywagon Champion Author New York Posts:10,841 Points:1,006,070 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 9:57:58 PM Ignore sillywagon Report Abuse Duh! Of course it didn't work well. It was a Government program designed by bureaucrats... of course at taxpayer expense. What a waste. [Edited by: sillywagon at 11/4/2009 9:58:16 PM EST]
slgas Champion Author Houston Posts:3,661 Points:1,097,590 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 9:56:13 PM Ignore slgas Report Abuse At least they followed the rules.
timdtune All-Star Author Virginia Posts:634 Points:132,710 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 9:50:25 PM Ignore timdtune Report Abuse More stipulations should have been placed on the trade ups. This did get the car industry back on the map.
NavyEOD Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:7,712 Points:1,567,900 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 9:48:59 PM Ignore NavyEOD Report Abuse This is not right.
DancingDee Champion Author Gary Posts:3,644 Points:908,065 Joined:Jul 2005	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 9:45:04 PM Ignore DancingDee Report Abuse That's what I heard as early as last month!!
mlambo Champion Author Indiana Posts:10,244 Points:2,224,115 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 9:39:15 PM Ignore mlambo Report Abuse I read over 50 % of the cars bought were foreign made. I think the American taxpayer got clunkered
Ken2OD Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:6,683 Points:1,508,050 Joined:Dec 2005	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 9:38:39 PM Ignore Ken2OD Report Abuse When all is said and done, and all the results have been analyzed, we will find out who got screwed on this deal. I still have a funny feeling about the CLUNKER PROGRAM in the entrails of my bowels.
2granny Champion Author Michigan Posts:7,156 Points:1,001,400 Joined:Apr 2009	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 9:37:26 PM Ignore 2granny Report Abuse The cash for clunkers program was a waste. What people didn't know is that they have to pay taxes on the money they received. Also the taxpayers are paying.
dollarwatcher Champion Author Wisconsin Posts:5,565 Points:1,069,395 Joined:Mar 2007	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 9:37:07 PM Ignore dollarwatcher Report Abuse O is mad cause he got out-foxed. I'll buy what I want to. Don't need no government tellin me what to drive.
foxups Champion Author Toledo Posts:3,252 Points:645,060 Joined:Feb 2004	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 9:31:15 PM Ignore foxups Report Abuse at least they bought american
dbatw Champion Author St. Louis Posts:1,686 Points:341,165 Joined:Apr 2009	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 9:27:38 PM Ignore dbatw Report Abuse criminal! Old gas wasters replaced by new gas wasters? How stupid. Hey, I want a subsidy for replacing my 1988 BMW with a new one! $24,000 would work pretty well.
nightworker998 Champion Author Maryland Posts:1,189 Points:509,265 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 9:27:36 PM Ignore nightworker998 Report Abuse This is the result of starting a program without all the rules in place typical for congress( regardless of the party in charge)
roadkillGA Champion Author Georgia Posts:3,382 Points:485,950 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 9:18:05 PM Ignore roadkillGA Report Abuse It cost the tax payer $24,000 for each person that bought a car with the cash for clunker deal.
andyrew All-Star Author Baltimore Posts:501 Points:362,895 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 9:09:24 PM Ignore andyrew Report Abuse this is because it was a stupid idea to begin with. car sales were up for a month, then right back in the hole. fuel economy overall didnt improve. it was just a way to spend more money and make the dems look good. morons
bbreff Champion Author Atlanta Posts:7,652 Points:2,130,040 Joined:Jun 2005	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 9:07:50 PM Ignore bbreff Report Abuse The program did little good to help the economy. It just put a few new vehicles on the road.
DEG Champion Author Las Vegas Posts:15,407 Points:3,056,430 Joined:Jul 2003	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 9:01:58 PM Ignore DEG Report Abuse The cash for clunkers program was bad for the economy and didn't get the reduction in gas consumption that the administration had wanted. The same is likely to happen with the massively expensive (and unneeded) health care reform bill if it ever passes.
playtimeCLE Champion Author Cleveland Posts:5,915 Points:1,093,450 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 9:01:55 PM Ignore playtimeCLE Report Abuse A guy I work with did that.
dmark101 Veteran Author Los Angeles Posts:412 Points:78,060 Joined:Oct 2009	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 8:59:13 PM Ignore dmark101 Report Abuse i read this earlier elsewhere and got a huge laugh out of it when i did. i'll bet nobama didn't plan for that to happen did he?
madison8359 Champion Author Cleveland Posts:5,752 Points:1,129,690 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 8:59:03 PM Ignore madison8359 Report Abuse Why quibble, the program put lots of people to work, put money into their pockets and the economy, what did you expect from a government program, perfection?
LanguageMan1 Champion Author Tampa Posts:9,150 Points:1,199,210 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 8:57:26 PM Ignore LanguageMan1 Report Abuse Doesn't surprise me one bit.
BlueVanGroup Champion Author Colorado Posts:4,792 Points:1,071,375 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 8:52:40 PM Ignore BlueVanGroup Report Abuse Oh no! People bought the cars/trucks they wanted instead of what the politicians think they should have?
Buck_on_Bass Champion Author Tennessee Posts:5,190 Points:1,042,340 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 8:48:21 PM Ignore Buck_on_Bass Report Abuse Many labels were placed upon the program to get it through Congress. The labels may or may not have described the program accurately. For vehicles under 8500 pounds, the rules were pretty clear. What may have changed the rules was the registration weight for the license plate. If a truck has a 9000 pound plate but the vehicle alone is 5800 pounds, is the vehicle considered to be less than 8500 pounds or over 8500 pounds? The rebate rules changed at 8500 pounds.
SSchmidty Champion Author Illinois Posts:6,968 Points:1,326,510 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 8:47:27 PM Ignore SSchmidty Report Abuse Oh my, why was this even encouraged? one gas guzzler for another?!
TRAIN RIDER Champion Author San Bernardino Posts:6,773 Points:2,299,960 Joined:Oct 2004	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 8:46:17 PM Ignore TRAIN RIDER Report Abuse BESIDES THIS NOT DOING WHAT IT WAS INTENDED TO DO, WE ALSO HAVE THE HEALTH CARE WHICH WON'T DO WHAT THEY WANT WITH OUT BREAKING THE BANK.
DellMan Champion Author Omaha Posts:1,917 Points:442,925 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 8:44:06 PM Ignore DellMan Report Abuse Programs like this are what you get when you put an inexperienced person in the Whitehouse. He brought in some of the most liberal people there are and they are really running the country. He tells them what he wants and they play enforcer. We are headed towards becoming a Communist/Socialist country. The more Obama and his crowd get control of these the worse off we will be. Health Care reforms scare the living daylights out of me, if they pass it the way it is we won't be able to afford insurance or the fines for not buying it. Pelosi's bill assumes most people would rather pay the fine. What happens when people buy government insurance and the government can't afford everyone?
Ramaniac Champion Author St. Louis Posts:11,368 Points:1,951,365 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 8:35:50 PM Ignore Ramaniac Report Abuse I traded a 1995 Dodge Ram for a 2009 Avenger doubling my gas mileage. The ram had 210,000 plus
hauler43 Champion Author Oakland Posts:7,146 Points:2,356,055 Joined:Sep 2003	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 8:30:14 PM Ignore hauler43 Report Abuse Who wrote the parameters for the trade-ins? Remember it is also what one can afford and use to driving.
kidrockTX Champion Author Fort Worth Posts:3,854 Points:508,370 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 8:23:52 PM Ignore kidrockTX Report Abuse after 10 months in office still can not do anything good he chould have gave the money to the poor and homeless but he will never learn
signwiz Champion Author Indiana Posts:1,395 Points:1,351,430 Joined:Feb 2006	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 8:21:44 PM Ignore signwiz Report Abuse Just a popular program designed for mass appeal at any cost.
sabob Champion Author Pennsylvania Posts:7,442 Points:676,990 Joined:Dec 2008	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 8:17:17 PM Ignore sabob Report Abuse that's what happens when they throw money at things instead of letting the free market take care of it. I didn't vote for him!!!!!!!!
K1500 Champion Author Birmingham Posts:1,055 Points:187,170 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 8:10:40 PM Ignore K1500 Report Abuse No way, Obama thought through the possible results of the program and had this solved! If only people would have realized this is the type of stuff that inexperience brings. We tried to warn them...
djgunrunner Champion Author Salt Lake City Posts:7,601 Points:1,889,870 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 8:00:25 PM Ignore djgunrunner Report Abuse My '03 Dodge Ram with a 5.9 Cummins averaged 19.5 mpg for 3,800 miles. Driving in National Parks, citys and highways. This could have been improved upon had their been a better axel ratio and a 6 speed transmission that had an overdrive and no compound gears.
papagreg Champion Author Sacramento Posts:1,527 Points:512,700 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 7:54:29 PM Ignore papagreg Report Abuse I second the thought, rodzilla123!!!! This is just more BS shoveled on us by Comrad Obama.