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Green Power Takes Root in the Chinese Desert

NEW YORK TIMES -- DUNHUANG, China — As the United States takes its first steps toward mandating that power companies generate more electricity from renewable sources, China already has a similar requirement and is investing billions to remake itself into a green energy superpower.

Through a combination of carrots and sticks, Beijing is starting to change how this country generates energy. Although coal remains the biggest energy source and is almost certain to stay that way, the rise of renewable energy, especially wind power, is helping to slow China’s steep growth in emissions of global warming gases.

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Submitted Jul 04, 2009 By: JOHNNY95206

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indyjim Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:4,737 Points:1,344,695 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:21:16 AM Ignore indyjim Report Abuse Good for them.
RambleOn Champion Author New York Posts:1,629 Points:618,530 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:21:05 AM Ignore RambleOn Report Abuse I fully agree with BrianK299. Ziyulu, get your head out of your A**!
LCSTEELERBOB Champion Author Gary Posts:1,588 Points:366,895 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:18:10 AM Ignore LCSTEELERBOB Report Abuse They may have started before us, but now lets over take them. [Edited by: LCSTEELERBOB at 7/5/2009 8:18:41 AM EST]
CallJeffCa Champion Author Oakland Posts:2,102 Points:513,345 Joined:Oct 2007	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:17:40 AM Ignore CallJeffCa Report Abuse They're using our money to build it.
#1purple Veteran Author Grand Rapids Posts:261 Points:569,005 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:17:03 AM Ignore #1purple Report Abuse Great for China. It's just another thing the US isn't the leader in.
DrivingFool2 Champion Author Wisconsin Posts:3,457 Points:643,660 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:14:45 AM Ignore DrivingFool2 Report Abuse China needs nuclear worse than we do.
madison8359 Champion Author Cleveland Posts:2,862 Points:618,610 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:14:22 AM Ignore madison8359 Report Abuse Please Uncle Sam take notice before it is too late!!!
SSchmidty Champion Author Illinois Posts:4,311 Points:815,365 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:12:14 AM Ignore SSchmidty Report Abuse Again, the USA is y-e-a-r-s BEHIND the energy curve solution ... oops, not P.C to say? its the truth!!!!
sing_1 Champion Author Florida Posts:1,028 Points:262,455 Joined:Sep 2007	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:11:58 AM Ignore sing_1 Report Abuse Continue to encourage research into alternative fuels.
Sportdeck Champion Author Atlanta Posts:8,317 Points:1,595,875 Joined:Sep 2003	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:11:35 AM Ignore Sportdeck Report Abuse The "poem" was by Alan Jackson. Even if you don't like Country Music, some of you need to get out more often. lol!
RichardoB Champion Author Fayetteville Posts:2,944 Points:1,062,210 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:09:54 AM Ignore RichardoB Report Abuse I agree, DeepInOhio. I'll believe it when I see it.
DeepInOhio Champion Author Ohio Posts:1,930 Points:625,655 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:09:14 AM Ignore DeepInOhio Report Abuse As the world's biggest polluter and having shown no willingness to go green before, I'll have to see this one to believe it. Until that time, I call BS.
curlypooh Champion Author New Jersey Posts:4,904 Points:1,030,240 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:06:19 AM Ignore curlypooh Report Abuse China needs a lot of Green, it is all black now.
swartzrora Champion Author South Carolina Posts:3,465 Points:422,285 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:04:18 AM Ignore swartzrora Report Abuse It wasn't that long ago that we went through the industrial revolution and "everything goes" was the saying
nb52 Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:2,852 Points:575,040 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:02:49 AM Ignore nb52 Report Abuse Hey Sportdeck...nobody watches CNN anymore..how 20th century.
PrepHermit Champion Author New Jersey Posts:3,250 Points:671,505 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:02:42 AM Ignore PrepHermit Report Abuse Nice poem.
Sportdeck Champion Author Atlanta Posts:8,317 Points:1,595,875 Joined:Sep 2003	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:00:51 AM Ignore Sportdeck Report Abuse Amen BrianK299: "Where Were You (When The World Stopped Turning)" Where were you when the world stopped turning that September day Out in the yard with your wife and children Working on some stage in LA Did you stand there in shock at the site of That black smoke rising against that blue sky Did you shout out in anger In fear for your neighbor Or did you just sit down and cry Did you weep for the children Who lost their dear loved ones And pray for the ones who don't know Did you rejoice for the people who walked from the rubble And sob for the ones left below Did you burst out in pride For the red white and blue The heroes who died just doing what they do Did you look up to heaven for some kind of answer And look at yourself to what really matters I'm just a singer of simple songs I'm not a real political man I watch CNN but I'm not sure I can tell you The difference in Iraq and Iran But I know Jesus and I talk to God And I remember this from when I was young Faith hope and love are some good things he gave us And the greatest is love Where were you when the world stopped turning that September day Teaching a class full of innocent children Driving down some cold interstate Did you feel guilty cause you're a survivor In a crowded room did you feel alone Did you call up your mother and tell her you love her Did you dust off that bible at home Did you open your eyes and hope it never happened Close your eyes and not go to sleep Did you notice the sunset the first time in ages Speak with some stranger on the street Did you lay down at night and think of tomorrow Go out and buy you a gun Did you turn off that violent old movie you're watching And turn on "I Love Lucy" reruns Did you go to a church and hold hands with some stranger Stand in line and give your own blood Did you just stay home and cling tight to your family Thank God you had somebody to love I'm just a singer of simple songs I'm not a real political man I watch CNN but I'm not sure I can tell you The difference in Iraq and Iran But I know Jesus and I talk to God And I remember this from when I was young Faith hope and love are some good things he gave us And the greatest is love I'm just a singer of simple songs I'm not a real political man I watch CNN but I'm not sure I can tell you The difference in Iraq and Iran But I know Jesus and I talk to God And I remember this from when I was young Faith hope and love are some good things he gave us And the greatest is love The greatest is love The greatest is love Where were you when the world stopped turning that September day
twomikea Champion Author Fort Worth Posts:2,702 Points:587,285 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:56:58 AM Ignore twomikea Report Abuse a little surprising - givem their increasing needs makes some sense
LilRedWagonIN Champion Author Indiana Posts:2,803 Points:601,855 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:56:43 AM Ignore LilRedWagonIN Report Abuse As the world's biggest polluter, it better start doing something or will have a big target on its back for the ecoterrorists.
Dipstick1 Champion Author Amarillo Posts:5,105 Points:1,470,865 Joined:Jan 2006	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:56:25 AM Ignore Dipstick1 Report Abuse China might as well. They have all our money.
katmandue Champion Author Detroit Posts:3,135 Points:1,168,730 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:56:14 AM Ignore katmandue Report Abuse renewable would be cheaper in the long run.
fizbos Champion Author Maine Posts:2,092 Points:1,037,660 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:55:27 AM Ignore fizbos Report Abuse At least China is not discontinuing coal, unlike the direction the Obama administration seems to be taking.
briank299 Champion Author Cleveland Posts:11,347 Points:2,095,345 Joined:Aug 2003	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:55:17 AM Ignore briank299 Report Abuse ziyulu said, "Instead of traying to go green, president Bush decided bombing other countries is a bigger priority." If Bush had opted to "Go Green" instead of bombing Iraq and Afghanistan, our 'green' energy plants would have been bombed by terrorists, along with everything else here. Thank you, G W Bush, for keeping the USA safe. I may not agree with everything he did, but I do support him for his post 9-11 efforts. Did you forget about 9-11? NEVER Forget.
VetteFan Champion Author Indiana Posts:4,841 Points:1,060,495 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:54:44 AM Ignore VetteFan Report Abuse The only down side to wind is the amount of land it uses and its lack of aesthetic value to the landscape.
racerdj Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:4,890 Points:1,076,060 Joined:Jun 2003	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:51:01 AM Ignore racerdj Report Abuse I don't see the downside to wind.
phoenix22 Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:1,286 Points:935,075 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:47:24 AM Ignore phoenix22 Report Abuse it is
ziyulu Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:3,445 Points:645,250 Joined:Aug 2007	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:47:16 AM Ignore ziyulu Report Abuse Instead of traying to go green, president Bush decided bombing other countries is a bigger priority.
Zinnoil Champion Author Florida Posts:18,901 Points:2,139,725 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:45:27 AM Ignore Zinnoil Report Abuse Sounds like wishful thinking.
Sealer Champion Author Charleston Posts:5,648 Points:837,475 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:43:02 AM Ignore Sealer Report Abuse "Carrots and sticks?" The Chinese government controls industry perhaps even more than Obama wishes to control industry here.
Skipper52 Champion Author Massachusetts Posts:2,526 Points:627,975 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:41:50 AM Ignore Skipper52 Report Abuse Global warming is cause by sun spots not by man. That doesn't mean we should not be cleaner in our power generation. It's just a fact.
Don1222 Champion Author Michigan Posts:6,187 Points:759,155 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:39:30 AM Ignore Don1222 Report Abuse Alternative energy - Buy American made in the USA.
calypso93 Champion Author Scranton Posts:7,998 Points:1,000,000 Joined:Mar 2004	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:38:04 AM Ignore calypso93 Report Abuse Like hailstorm CA said, if they're gonna do it, they do it. If the US had teeth as big as theirs, we'd see more widespread use of solar and wind.
MUSTANGSRUS Champion Author Ontario Posts:4,712 Points:995,945 Joined:Sep 2006	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:36:51 AM Ignore MUSTANGSRUS Report Abuse At least they are waking up to the fact that they are a large part of the pollution problem.
fordfan1 Champion Author Indiana Posts:4,164 Points:910,215 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:35:35 AM Ignore fordfan1 Report Abuse This is also a step in the right direction for China too.
HailstormCA Champion Author San Diego Posts:3,472 Points:607,125 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:34:28 AM Ignore HailstormCA Report Abuse Sometimes the system they use seems attractive. If they deem something should be done they don't wait and stammer as special interest groups bog it down with litigation. They just do it!
turbosaab Champion Author Cleveland Posts:9,062 Points:1,431,740 Joined:Sep 2006	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:31:33 AM Ignore turbosaab Report Abuse There's nothing wrong with this approach. In this country the enviroweenies and special interests prevent much of it from happening.
NotTom Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:2,389 Points:726,785 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:26:53 AM Ignore NotTom Report Abuse China needs to stop being the biggest producer of green house gasses. This is a good first step
jppezz Champion Author New Mexico Posts:3,614 Points:710,205 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:23:15 AM Ignore jppezz Report Abuse global warming and Al Gore are a big joke. but Al is making is millions on global warming scare tatics.
oilrobber Champion Author Miami Posts:4,659 Points:952,810 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:23:03 AM Ignore oilrobber Report Abuse China is more advanced than America.
gordonfan05 Champion Author Georgia Posts:1,868 Points:659,960 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:20:52 AM Ignore gordonfan05 Report Abuse They will do the minimum.
dave364 Champion Author Lansing Posts:1,300 Points:530,420 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:19:56 AM Ignore dave364 Report Abuse China finally caught on how about India
Joeski1 Champion Author New Jersey Posts:3,806 Points:759,480 Joined:Dec 2004	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:05:43 AM Ignore Joeski1 Report Abuse if anyone would like to explain why the glaciers in Greenland and elsewhere are disappearing... along with the Artic and Antartic ice shelves... and mean ocean temps thru out the world are rising.... and what is exactly causing it... Im sure about 10 million scientists would love to hear their theory...
WonderfulMI Champion Author Michigan Posts:5,831 Points:805,425 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:04:39 AM Ignore WonderfulMI Report Abuse China has figured out that is is cheaper to produce electricity without pollution.
mandoid Champion Author Colorado Springs Posts:2,884 Points:610,655 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:01:52 AM Ignore mandoid Report Abuse good for china. 'global warming gases' what a joke
BigDogOH Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:3,517 Points:826,340 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 6:56:28 AM Ignore BigDogOH Report Abuse About time China gets on board
Doubleeez Champion Author Connecticut Posts:2,722 Points:542,265 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 6:55:36 AM Ignore Doubleeez Report Abuse Now more of us are going in the right direction.
Hunter724 Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:3,185 Points:665,245 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 6:53:34 AM Ignore Hunter724 Report Abuse This can only help us all.......
sherlockMS Champion Author Mississippi Posts:1,349 Points:312,640 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 6:50:33 AM Ignore sherlockMS Report Abuse sounds like the same thing is going on here read closer
ewmac Champion Author Ontario Posts:3,513 Points:826,720 Joined:Aug 2007	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 6:45:03 AM Ignore ewmac Report Abuse Worlds largest polluter
Metroman Champion Author Philadelphia Posts:8,197 Points:1,641,895 Joined:Aug 2003	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 6:43:42 AM Ignore Metroman Report Abuse Let China cut their energy use, we will all benefit.
TeachR06 Champion Author Raleigh Posts:3,535 Points:1,012,760 Joined:Sep 2006	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 6:38:10 AM Ignore TeachR06 Report Abuse Sounds great! Let's get moving in North America
neptune2008 Champion Author Michigan Posts:3,599 Points:709,305 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 6:36:19 AM Ignore neptune2008 Report Abuse good for them...lets try and catch up...